【文章标题】:AI Got Good at Language. Now It’s Learning the Language of Life. (Eric Nguyen, Co-Founder and CEO of Radical Numerics)

【文章标题】:AI已精通语言,如今正在学习生命的语言。(埃里克·阮,Radical Numerics联合创始人兼首席执行官)

【文章正文】: “The potential to create or manipulate life with AI could reinvent nearly all of biology, but it also carries inherent risk. We’ve seen just a taste of this on the natural-language and chatbot side. Giving AI the power to generate and create life carries a certain level of responsibility.”

【文章正文】: “利用AI创造或操控生命的潜力,可能彻底重塑几乎所有生物学领域,但同时也伴随着固有的风险。我们在自然语言和聊天机器人方面已经尝到了些许滋味。赋予AI生成和创造生命的能力,意味着承担一定程度的责任。”

— Eric Nguyen, Co-founder and CEO, Radical Numerics

——埃里克·阮,Radical Numerics联合创始人兼首席执行官

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Eric Nguyen

埃里克·阮

is the co-founder and CEO of

是

Radical Numerics

Radical Numerics

, an AI research lab that has raised $50 million to train models directly on biological data. Before starting the company, Eric helped develop Evo and Evo 2, large-scale genome language models trained on unlabeled DNA sequences. Radical Numerics is now building models that can connect information across DNA, RNA, proteins, epigenetics, and other parts of biology, rather than treating each as a separate problem. Researchers have already used Evo to generate viable bacteriophage genomes, and Eric says Radical Numerics’ newer model, Omnii, matched key findings from two years of Alzheimer’s wet-lab research in a matter of days. He also believes these tools could make it easier to create dangerous pathogens, which is why the company is working on both biological design and biodefense.

的联合创始人兼首席执行官。这是一家AI研究实验室,已筹集5000万美元,用于直接在生物数据上训练模型。在公司创立之前,埃里克参与开发了Evo和Evo 2——基于未标记DNA序列训练的大规模基因组语言模型。Radical Numerics目前正在构建能够连接DNA、RNA、蛋白质、表观遗传学及其他生物学领域信息的模型,而不是将每个领域视为独立问题。研究人员已经利用Evo生成了具有活力的噬菌体基因组,埃里克表示,Radical Numerics的新模型Omnii仅用数天时间就匹配了阿尔茨海默病湿实验室研究两年的关键发现。他还认为,这些工具可能让制造危险病原体变得更加容易,这正是该公司同时致力于生物设计和生物防御的原因。

In our conversation, we explore:

在我们的对话中,我们探讨了以下内容:

What AI models can learn by treating DNA as a language

AI模型将DNA视为一种语言时能学到什么

Why reading scientific papers is not the same as learning directly from biological data

为什么阅读科学论文与直接从生物数据中学习是不同的

How Eric’s unusually free-range childhood shaped the way he follows his curiosity

埃里克非同寻常的自由放养式童年如何塑造了他追随好奇心的方式

Why biology may have more useful data than researchers know how to use

为什么生物学可能拥有比研究人员已知如何利用的更多有用数据

How Radical Numerics plans to connect information across DNA, RNA, proteins, and other biological systems

Radical Numerics计划如何连接DNA、RNA、蛋白质及其他生物系统中的信息

Where the company sees early opportunities in drug discovery, diagnostics, synthetic biology, and biodefense

该公司在药物发现、诊断、合成生物学和生物防御领域看到了哪些早期机遇

Why testing AI-generated biology in the lab is still slow and difficult

为什么在实验室中测试AI生成的生物学产物仍然缓慢且困难

How models that design biological systems could also help detect dangerous or manipulated pathogens

设计生物系统的模型如何也能帮助检测危险或被操纵的病原体

How to make powerful biology models safer without eliminating the capabilities that make them valuable

如何在不消除强大生物学模型价值所在的能力的前提下,使其更加安全

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Timestamps

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00:00

00:00

) Intro

)开场

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03:35

03:35

) An overview of Radical Numerics

)Radical Numerics概述

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06:35

06:35

) From protein models to modeling all of biology

)从蛋白质模型到对整个生物学进行建模

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11:08

11:08

) Why they started with DNA

)为什么他们从DNA开始

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15:04

15:04

) The process of mapping DNA as a language

)将DNA映射为语言的过程

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19:47

19:47

) What’s unknown, and how we learn from novelty

)未知的是什么,以及我们如何从新颖性中学习

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26:24

26:24

) The limits of language models in biology

)语言模型在生物学中的局限性

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31:15

31:15

) Eric’s free-range upbringing and path to his PhD program

)埃里克自由放养的成长经历及其攻读博士学位的道路

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41:20

41:20

) Applying long-context models to DNA and meeting his co-founders

)将长上下文模型应用于DNA并结识他的联合创始人

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46:36

46:36

) Biology’s untapped data opportunity

)生物学尚未开发的数据机遇

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49:02

49:02

) Why biology needs multimodal AI

)为什么生物学需要多模态AI

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55:30

55:30

) How better general LLMs benefit Radical Numerics

)更强大的通用大语言模型如何使Radical Numerics受益

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57:19

57:19

) The challenges of biological verification

)生物验证的挑战

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1:02:05

1:02:05

) Making biology more concrete

)让生物学更加具体化

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1:04:51

1:04:51

) Radical Numerics’ strategy and early use cases

)Radical Numerics的战略和早期应用场景

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1:07:26

1:07:26

) Balancing safety with capable AI models

)在安全性与强大AI模型之间取得平衡

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1:15:47

1:15:47

) What success in biodefense looks like

)生物防御的成功是什么样子的

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1:18:09

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) Final meditations

)最后的思考

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https://erictnguyen.com

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Resources and episode mentions

资源与节目提及

Books

书籍

Biohazard: The Chilling True Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World—Told from Inside by the Man Who Ran It

《生物危害:世界最大秘密生物武器计划内部人士的惊悚实录——由该项目负责人的亲历讲述》

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/0385334966

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0385334966

Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich

《闪电战:第三帝国的毒品》

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https://www.amazon.com/Blitzed-Norman-Ohler/dp/1328915344

https://www.amazon.com/Blitzed-Norman-Ohler/dp/1328915344

People

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Greg Brockman on LinkedIn:

格雷格·布罗克曼的LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/thegdb

https://www.linkedin.com/in/thegdb

Eric Horvitz on LinkedIn:

埃里克·霍维茨的LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/erichorvitz

https://www.linkedin.com/in/erichorvitz

Other resources

其他资源

Radical Numerics:

Radical Numerics:

https://www.radicalnumerics.ai

https://www.radicalnumerics.ai

Genome modelling and design across all domains of life with Evo 2:

利用Evo 2跨生命所有领域进行基因组建模与设计:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10176-5

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10176-5

AlphaFold Protein Structure Database:

AlphaFold蛋白质结构数据库:

https://alphafold.ebi.ac.uk

https://alphafold.ebi.ac.uk

A new frontier in generative genomics with Omnii:

利用Omnii开辟生成式基因组学的新前沿:

https://www.radicalnumerics.ai/blog/omnii-health-preview

https://www.radicalnumerics.ai/blog/omnii-health-preview

On the Red Circle: What it’s really like to give a TED talk:

《在红圈之上:发表TED演讲的真实感受》:

https://erictnguyen.substack.com/p/on-the-red-circle-whats-its-really

https://erictnguyen.substack.com/p/on-the-red-circle-whats-its-really

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