【文章标题】：An Interview with OpenAI President Greg Brockman About Astra and Alignment
【标题翻译】：专访OpenAI总裁格雷格·布罗克曼：关于Astra与对齐问题的对话
【文章正文】：
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Good morning,
早上好，
This week’s Stratechery interview is with OpenAI President and co-founder Greg Brockman.
本周《Stratechery》访谈嘉宾是OpenAI总裁兼联合创始人格雷格·布罗克曼。
Brockman dropped out of college in 2010 to join Stripe, and rose to become the company’s CTO; he left in 2015 and co-founded OpenAI, where he also served as CTO.
布罗克曼2010年从大学辍学加入Stripe，后升任首席技术官；2015年离职联合创立OpenAI并同样担任CTO。
Today, after an interesting few years, Brockman is President of OpenAI, and is the face of yesterday’s announcement of Astra, OpenAI’s newest model.
如今历经风云变幻，布罗克曼作为OpenAI总裁，昨日亲自发布了公司最新模型Astra。
In this interview, recorded before the Astra announcement, we discuss Brockman’s background, his time at Stripe, and the early years of OpenAI.
这段录制于Astra发布前的访谈中，我们探讨了布罗克曼的成长经历、Stripe岁月以及OpenAI初创时光。
We touch on the ChatGPT launch and the drama of 2023, and whether or not having a billion users is actually a disadvantage.
我们聊到ChatGPT的发布与2023年风波，探讨十亿用户量是否反成掣肘。
We also touch on OpenAI’s place on the value chain, and their competition with companies closer to consumers, like Microsoft, and their suppliers, like Nvidia.
亦谈及OpenAI在价值链中的定位，及其与微软等终端企业、英伟达等供应商的竞合关系。
We also talk about Astra and OpenAI’s stated commitment to alignment, and debate whether or not OpenAI took security seriously in the run-up to the Hugging Face incident.
还讨论了Astra与OpenAI公开承诺的”对齐”原则，并激辩Hugging Face事件前是否重视安全防护。
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提醒您，《Stratechery》所有内容（含访谈）均有播客版本，点击邮件顶部链接即可订阅。
On to the Interview:
访谈正文：
An Interview with OpenAI President Greg Brockman About Astra and Alignment
专访OpenAI总裁格雷格·布罗克曼：关于Astra与对齐问题的对话
This interview is lightly edited for clarity.
为清晰起见，访谈内容经过轻微编辑。
Topics:
话题索引：
Background | 成长背景
Stripe | Stripe岁月
OpenAI | OpenAI初创
OpenAI and the Turing Test | OpenAI与图灵测试
ChatGPT and OpenAI Drama | ChatGPT与OpenAI风波
Productivity and AGI | 生产力与通用人工智能
Astra | Astra模型
The AI Value Chain | AI价值链
Cybersecurity | 网络安全
Background
成长背景
Greg Brockman, welcome to Stratechery.
格雷格·布罗克曼，欢迎来到《Stratechery》。
Greg Brockman:
布罗克曼：
Thank you for having me. Excited to be here.
感谢邀请，非常荣幸。
So we obviously have a massive amount of news to get to, but given this is the first time we have talked, I don’t want to pass up the usual Stratechery biography question I ask anyone.
虽然有很多热点要聊，但鉴于首次对话，我不想跳过《Stratechery》的招牌传记问题。
I do want to ask — do you define North Dakota as being a part of the Midwest?
首先——你认为北达科他州属于美国中西部吗？
GB:
布罗克曼：
I do.
当然。
All right, well, a fellow Midwesterner, of course I have to spend some time there.
好的，作为中西部同乡，我们得先聊聊这个。
You went to school in Boston, as they say, but before we get to there — you have an amazing resume even before you get to school, like the International Olympiad, but in chemistry.
你后来去波士顿求学，但在此之前——你学生时代就履历惊人，比如参加过国际化学奥林匹克竞赛。
Where did the computers come in, or were computers a part of your life from the beginning?
计算机是何时进入你生活的？还是说从一开始就存在？
GB:
布罗克曼：
Well, computers were always in the background for me growing up.
计算机其实一直是我成长的背景音。
I loved to play computer games, but I was really into math, I was into science.
爱玩电脑游戏，但更痴迷数学与科学。
I actually thought that I was going to potentially be an actor all the way through ninth grade — I was very into acting and performing as well, and dabbled a little bit in philosophy.
九年级前我一直以为自己会当演员——热衷表演艺术，还浅尝过哲学。
There’s a curveball! I did not know that was coming, but I’m going to figure out what the connection is between what you do now and acting, but let’s continue.
这转折真意外！虽然好奇表演与现在工作的关联，但请继续。
GB:
布罗克曼：
Well, I felt like in ninth grade, I’d been the star of, or the male lead in, a play or two in my middle school, high school.
九年级时，我已是中学话剧的男一号常客。
And I was thinking about, I wanted to double down on something, I felt like I could be best in the world and really try to move the needle in a field, and I felt like I either had to pick a more cerebral, hard sciences approach or more of the arts and acting direction and creative route.
当时思考要专注某个领域做到极致——要么选择硬核理科道路，要么投身艺术表演的创造性路线。
I ended up picking the hard sciences one, because I felt like maybe that was an area where I could most make a difference in the world.
最终选择理科，因觉其更能改变世界。
And why did you think you could most make a difference in the world by going in that direction?
为何认为这条路更能改变世界？
GB:
布罗克曼：
I guess for me it felt like — one of the things I loved about acting was actually the group aspect of it.
表演最吸引我的是团队协作——
I loved improv, you’re just creatively thinking about things, you’re bouncing ideas back and forth, but it also really requires being part of a team that works together super well, and that’s something that’s not always guaranteed.
热爱即兴创作中的思维碰撞，但这需要完美配合的团队，而这不常有。
That’s a hard thing to accomplish and find. The thing that I really liked about the more cerebral route is it feels like you sharpen your own skills.
相比之下，理科道路更能磨砺个人技能。
One thing I did learn, actually, was that even if you’re great at writing code, that’s not enough.
但后来明白，单会写优秀代码远远不够——
It is actually about also bringing in that great team, and that’s part of, I think, what my career has been about — really helping to build and shape environments and culture that are actually able to deliver great results.
组建卓越团队才是关键，这也是我职业生涯的核心：打造能产出成果的环境与文化。
One thing that’s interesting, there’s an aspect here about environment also shaping some of these things.
有趣的是，环境也塑造着这些特质——
You mentioned you were always the male lead in plays and dramas. I just recognize from my kids going through this era — my daughter was very into musicals and stuff for a while — there’s intense competition for the female lead, and usually if there’s just a competent male who’s willing to volunteer, he gets the role every time.
你说总演男主角。从我女儿痴迷音乐剧的经历看，女主角竞争激烈，而男生只要能力达标且愿意参演，基本每次都能当选。
Was there a lot of competition for the male leads, or were you one of one?
当时男主角竞争激烈吗？还是非你莫属？
GB:
布罗克曼：
(laughing) I think that might explain it. I’ll tell you a story, though.
（笑）或许这就是原因。不过有个故事…
What about the flip side too? Being in North Dakota, were ther
另一方面，在北达科他州是否…
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