【文章标题】:Lake Ontario (“Lake America”)
【文章标题】:安大略湖(“美洲湖”)
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CAM-Gerlach
(C.A.M. Gerlach)
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Here we go again…
A few hours ago, US President Trump signed an Executive Order ordering GNIS to be updated to rename Lake Ontario to “Lake America”, and it seems the update has already taken effect (although to note, the GNIS entry cites “Executive Order 14420”, but that is in fact the executive order on “Delivering Gold Standard Childhood Vaccine Recommendations for Americans”; this new executive order has not been officially published in the Federal Register yet and thus does not yet have a number).
又来了……几小时前,美国总统特朗普签署行政令,要求GNIS将安大略湖更名为”美洲湖”,且更新似乎已生效(需注意的是,GNIS条目引用了”第14420号行政令”,但该令实际是关于”为美国人提供黄金标准儿童疫苗接种建议”的;新行政令尚未在《联邦公报》正式发布,故暂无编号)。
Precedent from the Gulf of Mexico/“Gulf of America” discussion as well as accepted OSM convention would suggest that once GNIS is updated (which it appears it is already), official_name:en-US=* should be added/changed to Lake America, but name=* left as is unless and until common usage on the ground on both sides of the border shifts to prefer the “Lake America” name (which seems very unlikely).
参照墨西哥湾/“美洲湾”的讨论先例及OSM惯例,GNIS更新后(目前看来已完成),应添加/修改official_name:en-US=*为”Lake America”,但保留name=*原值,除非边境两侧实际使用中普遍转向”美洲湖”名称(这似乎极不可能)。
So far, the Lake Ontario relation (1206310) as well as at least one other nearby feature has already had its name=* changed once, though it was swiftly reverted and changed to official_name:en-US=* instead, which is the current status quo as of this writing. I expect to see that happen a lot more in the near future, in line with what happened to the Gulf of Mexico, so good to get on top of this now.
目前安大略湖关系(1206310)及至少一处邻近地物已发生过一次name=变更,但被迅速回退并改为official_name:en-US=——这也是本文撰写时的现状。预计近期会频繁出现类似墨西哥湾的更名情况,最好现在就未雨绸缪。
Therefore, following a discussion with other local mappers on the OSM-US Slack and a request from @iandees, I created this thread for discussion with the relevant communities to confirm this consensus still applies in this case, and a thread that can be cited and mappers can be directed to documenting the resulting consensus. I’ve also pinged and briefed the DWG on the issue so they are aware. Once decided, it seems worth updating the Lake Ontario OSM wiki page (which was previously proposed for deletion) to document this consensus, as done on the Gulf of Mexico’s page.
基于与OSM-US Slack本地制图员的讨论及@iandees的请求,我创建此讨论串以确认该共识仍适用本案,并供后续引用和记录共识结果。我已就此事通报DWG。若达成共识,建议参照墨西哥湾页面更新安大略湖OSM维基页面(此前该页面曾被提议删除)。
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Map_HeRo
(Mikke)
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Thanks for dealing with this issue at this early stage.
We are all leaning back, getting some popcorn and waiting for the edit war to start. The poor Golf of Mexico has undergone 19 edits in the first 16 years of OSM and another 127 since January 2025 so let’s see what happens to Lake Ontario.
感谢早期处理此事。我们已备好爆米花坐等编辑战开打——可怜的墨西哥湾在OSM前16年仅修改19次,而2025年1月至今竟有127次修改,且看安大略湖会如何。
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Thanks!
Therefore, following a discussion with other local mappers on the OSM-US Slack
Anything of note for this community thread outside of what you already wrote? I got no account on the OSM-US Slack, and the archive link only works if you have an account, unfortunately.
感谢!除已述内容外,此社区讨论串还有其他要点吗?可惜我无OSM-US Slack账号,存档链接需登录才能查看。
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CAM-Gerlach
(C.A.M. Gerlach)
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Not really, just the jokes and groans you’d expect, consensus on the official_name:en-US=* approach discussed above and the request to create this thread.
@Glassman did mention just now that they’ve put a monitor on the relation so they get pinged if there are any changes, and that official_name:en_US=* makes sense as with the Gulf of Mexico. And @SomeoneElse just wrote me via email that the Gulf of Mexico discussion indeed essentially applies here as well. So sounds like the DWG are well on top of things and hopefully there shouldn’t be a need for another long discussion here
基本无新内容,只有预料中的玩笑和抱怨,共识仍是上述official_name:en-US=*方案及创建本讨论串的请求。@Glassman提到他们已监控该关系以便变更时接收提醒,且official_name:en_US=*方案如墨西哥湾案例般合理。@SomeoneElse也邮件确认墨西哥湾讨论完全适用本案。看来DWG已掌控局面,无需再长期讨论。
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adreamy
(깨몽/dreamy)
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This is certainly some welcome news to spice things up on OpenStreetMap.
It looks like the “Strait of Hormuz” may soon be renamed the “Strait of America,” and “Greenland” might become “Americaland” as well. Since we can probably expect more of these official-name surprises in the future, I’d like to propose a new tag: official_name:Trump=
这倒是为OpenStreetMap增添趣味的好消息。看来”霍尔木兹海峡”快改叫”美洲海峡”了,“格陵兰”也可能变成”美洲兰”。鉴于未来恐有更多此类官方命名”惊喜”,我提议新增标签:official_name:Trump=